Factors Affecting Arrow Head Accuracy : Différence entre versions

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{{Info|...It is important to get consistent inconsistencies to be able to understand what to do about it}}<br />
 
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SY axis stalling and has following errors  
 
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|SY Axis Misaligned and stalling
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SY Axis coupling slipping
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SY Axis Misaligned and stalling
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SY Axis coupling slipping
 
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Check repeatability of SY axis datum visually (mark a line and repeatedly test datuming)  
 
Check repeatability of SY axis datum visually (mark a line and repeatedly test datuming)  
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Version du 17 août 2023 à 14:52

Auteur avatarGareth Green | Dernière modification 17/08/2023 par Gareth Green en cours de rédaction

Additional root causes that can affect arrow head accuracy

Machine Types

Arrow head setup on a Stuga machine falls into 3 different groups depending on the model of the machine and the centralising options fitted

Standard Full SY Axis Y-Drive Notes
Description Direct centralising

on simple cylinder

No mechanical centralising,

all on SY axis

Mechanical Centralising,

with SY axis offset from centre

Standalone Saw All All saws have the standard centralising mechanics except cill saws where this is removed to enable wider (cill) profiles to be managed
Flowline / ZX3 / ZX4 Optional Refurbished with Y-Drive All original flowlines, ZX3 and ZX4 have the standard centralise system, but following the development of the "Y-Drive" on the ZX5, this is offered as an option on refurbished machines
Microline All All Microlines have an "A" axis to control the arrow head position

This axis position affects all cut types so also affects Mitred lengths

Autoflow All All Autoflows use SY axis to control arrow head position

This axis position affects all cut types so also affects Mitred lengths

ZX5 All The ZX5 uses a hybrid system where mitred cuts will use a fixed bladetofence measurement, coupled with the ability to offset on the SY axis when the centralising is on. This offset allows the blade to offset from centre for Y notching

T Transoms First

..If you can't get T shapes correct, the you will never get Z profiles correct, so it is important to get reliability and repeatability on simple profiles first


The first important step is to gather reliable test data. Create test pieces 4 off 400mm of narrow, mid and wide T transoms

  • Carefully check that the bars are symmetrical
  • Use a test bar long enough to ensure the offcut is not at the start of the bar
...We want to test the system where the first cut is an arrow head with infeed clamping only. If an offcut is at the start of the bar, it will be clamped on both infeed and outfeed side.
  • Label them 1, 2 and 3 and 4 as they come off the machine
  • Carefully check the dimensions and symmetry of each profile - use the "front to front and back to front method" to check shoulder lengths against each other. This is a quick way to identify discrepancies and compare pieces
  • Measure the arrow head location accurately and carefully to get an idea of how the arrow heads perform overall, rather than concentrating on one profile that the operator tells you is wrong.
  • If there are any inconsistencies on a profile, repeat the same test - Do you get the same result?
  • Test inconsistent profiles again - do you get the same result?
...It is important to get consistent inconsistencies to be able to understand what to do about it


Root Cause Table - Standard Centralising and Y-Drive
Symptoms Potential Root Cause Checks
No issues found but history of:
  • All arrow heads out by the same amount on one bar or a set of bars in order, then correct again
  • Arrow heads out by a long way (>5mm) towards front of machine
  • Mitre cut lengths also short (not long)
Swarf or offcut stuck was stopping the centralise getting to position


Top clamp pressure too high

Centralise cylinder pressure too low

(either / both will stop profile getting pushed to backfence)


Centralise cylinder leaking past seal


Centralise slideway system jammed / not lubricated / failure

Check the side fence reaches the profile when centralising


Check clamp pressures top1-2bar, centralise 2-2.5bar




Check centralise slideway mechanicals and lubrication

First or last arrow head on bar is different to others Side fences not parallel

Rear fences not aligned

TM016 Arrow Head Adjustment on Saw#Step 4 - Check Side Fences are Parallel
Some profile arrow heads correct, others profiles not. Repeatable results on every test Arrow head offsets (fiddle factors) historically set Reset all ofsets to zero before starting


Root Cause Table - Full SY Axis and Y Drive Only (Refurb Flowlines with SY upgrade, All ZX5s)
Symptoms Potential Root Cause Checks
Arrow heads varying with no pattern, changes after redatum

SY axis stalling and has following errors

SY axis needs lubricating Check SY axis moves full range of movement by hand and via drives screen
SY axis sensor not functioning correctly
SY Axis Misaligned and stalling

SY Axis coupling slipping

Check for following error / lag on SY axis
All arrow heads out by same amount SY Axis Datum is wrong


SY Axis Misaligned and stalling

SY Axis coupling slipping

Check and double check offsets

Check repeatability of SY axis datum visually (mark a line and repeatedly test datuming)

..You have to ask yourself why the SY axis datum position has changed - there has to be a root cause. Simply changing the parameter will mask the real problem and therefore guaranteed to return again minutes or days later

Z Transoms Second

Repeat the same tests for Z shaped profiles

Root Cause Table AFTER T Transoms correct - All Types
Symptoms Potential Root Cause Checks
Bottom arrow head is different to top

First or last arrow head on bar is different to others

Z Support not active for profile

Z support incorrectly set for profile rebate

Infeed top clamp pressure not high enough to flatten profile

Check Z support settings

Manually check how the Z profile is clamped with the Z support out

Top Clamp pressure 1bar-2bar

One profile incorrect but others ok Profile not symmetrical Test Z transom Symmetry (can be difficult!)
Some arrow heads correct, others not, but fixed pattern, not varying along bar length Arrow head offsets (fiddle factors) historically set Reset all ofsets to zero before starting

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